Dev Post: Wreck Fields - The "Wreckoning" - discussion

SUCO · Apr 28th 2016, 12:01pm

Dev Post: Wreck Fields - The "Wreckoning"

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iguypouf · Apr 28th 2016, 12:15pm

Hello,

Two questions about this new version :

- To use the wreck field you don't have to pay any res ?

- What's the speed of the construction / burning the wreck fields ? Its linked to the wreck dock's level, its linked to the nanites / spatial dock's levels, or its something different, or both ?

Thank you

JoKy · Apr 28th 2016, 12:31pm

1. no res needed, only time to repair and the % is limited to the new building
2. It´s connected to your shipyard/nani on the planet and for sure to the server speed

LG

NoMoreAngel · Apr 28th 2016, 12:42pm

1. No you don't have to. You just need ressources to build the Spacedock.
2. The speed is linked to your shipyard/nani, not to the Spacedock. It maxes out at 12h and then scales down.
e.g. if your WF contains 200 Rips and 200k SC the times would be the following, when considering these normal buildtimes in shipyard (RIP: 45m SC: 1s):
RIPs would take 150h to build, but the WF maxes out at 12h, now the system scales everything down to the max time. The Repairtime of a RIP won't be 45minutes anymore, it would be 3,6 minutes. Now this also factor also gets applied to the SC, instead of having to wait 200k seconds for all SC, you will only have to wait 16k seconds, so you would get ~12,5 SC every second repaired.

iguypouf · Apr 28th 2016, 12:54pm

Mmmm, its a but confused.

It means that the ships will not be repaired at the same speed of a new one is produced, but at a speed allowing the game to repair everything in 12 hours ?

So, potentially, any case the size of the WF is, you can empty the WF in 12 hours, right ?

NoMoreAngel · Apr 28th 2016, 12:57pm

Yep, a WF will max out at 12h repair time. But you can't get suprised by it on an attack, because you can see the repair in an espionagereport^^

Cat Broken · Apr 28th 2016, 2:05pm

What's the point to implement this new system if you have to put this rule aswell?
Generated wreck field size depends on the DF setting on the server to avoid exploiting. You can increase the wreck field size by upgrading the space dock. Some examples: A 30% DF server results in 31.5% WF, the rest is destroyed completely. A 70% DF server results in 13,5% WF, the rest is destroyed completely. In other words: Without a space dock, 45% of the what does not go into the debris field is put into the wreck field. With a space dock higher than level 1 you increase the initial value of 45% in small steps. (These values are subject to change).

I've a test serer account on bermuda and I've reached the level 5. To uprgrade to level 6 i ask 312k of energy....ike a gravitonic research and the price for the dock stock isn't worth at all.
Please change it, thanks

WeTeHa · Apr 28th 2016, 2:15pm

Cat Broken wrote:

What's the point to implement this new system if you have to put this rule aswell?
Generated wreck field size depends on the DF setting on the server to avoid exploiting. You can increase the wreck field size by upgrading the space dock. Some examples: A 30% DF server results in 31.5% WF, the rest is destroyed completely. A 70% DF server results in 13,5% WF, the rest is destroyed completely. In other words: Without a space dock, 45% of the what does not go into the debris field is put into the wreck field. With a space dock higher than level 1 you increase the initial value of 45% in small steps. (These values are subject to change).

I've a test serer account on bermuda and I've reached the level 5. To uprgrade to level 6 i ask 312k of energy....ike a gravitonic research and the price for the dock stock isn't worth at all.
Please change it, thanks

As soon as you lost your fleet it is worth it ... I guess ...

iguypouf · Apr 28th 2016, 2:19pm

Bah, if the space dock level 5 changes from 31.5% to... say 35%, this cost is really enough... And don't forget that this have to be done on all of your planets !

WeTeHa · Apr 28th 2016, 2:19pm

iguypouf wrote:

Bah, if the space dock level 5 changes from 31.5% to... say 35%, this cost is really enough... And don't forget that this have to be done on all of your planets !

And just to mention ... those values are still in discussion, we will adjust stuff with the next releases.

NoMoreAngel · Apr 28th 2016, 2:20pm

Guys just open the techinfo of the Space Dock

there is listied which % go into the WF at which level

Cat Broken · Apr 28th 2016, 2:20pm

Yeah but it's still not enogh to keep an user on that universe i guess.
The best thing is at least allow to the user that has lost its fleet to get it back at 50%.
nvm
Anyway this is a really nice system, thanks to all devs

JoKy · Apr 28th 2016, 2:34pm

Please have in mind, that the version on the Live Testservers are in alpha status. Several stuff might change during the developement process. The Building costs are currently wrong there. The Tech-Team will provide a fancy table, when the costs are changes, so you can have an overview

LG

Kub1n4sh1 · Apr 28th 2016, 2:54pm

one question, u are attacking someone and u take to many losses, even if u won the battle it will mean that the defender can have less losses then u?

iguypouf · Apr 28th 2016, 3:28pm

And the units will be available directly one by one, or only at the end of the recovering procedure in one block ?

NoMoreAngel · Apr 28th 2016, 3:54pm

@Kub1n4sh1: That can always be the case, even without WFs

You always take out all the ships that got repaired until you take them out. This can be whenever you want after 30 minutes have passed.

iguypouf · Apr 28th 2016, 4:31pm

Another good question from .fr : by " losing a fight ", you mean a total victory of the attacker ( with loots ), or just looses more than the attacker ? Does the wreck field pops up if some ships are still alive ?

NoMoreAngel · Apr 28th 2016, 4:59pm

You don't need to lose the fight, a WF gets created when you win, lose and when it's a draw. The text is a bit odd worded there^^

Kub1n4sh1 · Apr 28th 2016, 9:26pm

So for what i understand from now on theres is many times when the fleets are balanced that it doesn't worth atacking cause we will probably loose more points then the defender and the defender will get more profit then u.... STOP THIS MADNESS WHEN U STILL HAVE TIME.... Or at least if the reason to this implementation it's to help newbies put it only available for the acc's with less then 500k points.

Minion · Apr 28th 2016, 9:41pm

Well, nice to see that at least temporarily the wreck fields do not touch the demolishing system. Let's see how it works and how the game evolves with this.

In any case
“Please note that we reverted the changes for demolishing buildings. For the time being demolishing will stay unchanged. We are aware that some people use demolishing for resource saving. We do not feel that this is how resource saving should work, and will change this in the future by offering an alternative.”
I don't want to alter the subject of discussion, so do not answer, but please, just think about it for yourselves:

Why? I mean, it's something that I don't think anyone ever cried about. It's just part of the game, and no one questioned it. Wether you have jumpgate building slowly in the moon to have a few extra deuterium in case you need it, or saving for a bigger building. For me, saying what you just said is (no joke here) exactly as if you said “you cannot spy allies to create activity because we don't feel that this is how creating activity should work”.

In any case, let's see what purposes do you show in the future, and let's hope it's good. Again, let's hope this wreck fields also work

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